It is up to God, we are nobody to judge her for what she did or didn't do, God knew and knows Andrea better than any of us. God exist and to say that she's in heaven or hell according to the god she believed in is very subjective and ignorant. There is only one God and He's merciful, even her pain could've been used for her salvation, we don't know and will probably never know where she's at because we can't know what God knows. Jesus once said to the judging Fareesees: "prostitutes and sinners are ahead of you hipocrits...." Jesus came for sinners, souls who needed Him, not for the "good ones" (if any). Jesus never condemned the unfaithful woman that was about to be stoned by the people "where are they who judged you? nowhere Lord....Neither do I judge you, go in peace your sins are forgiven"....I hope too she was able to say "nowhere Lord"...
We don't know where she is. The only thing we can do is praying. We should pray for her salvation and for Gods forgiveness.
I'm sure that she is/was in the purgatory. But after the purgatory you can expect heaven. In fact, the purgatory is a necessary preparation for paradise.
But the most important thing is, that she needs our prayers.
The darned thing to this is that nobody knows if God exists or not. The only thing that you can do is to believe in one - or not. And this is highly depending on the time in history, the part of the world and the society you live in. Very probably you believe in the same God like your family, your neighbours, your friends. You share with them your faith like you share with them other cultural constituents. This is not subjective, but it's not objective either. It's subject to your social group.
The Teutons, the antique Greek, the antique Romans, the Indians, the Jews, the Mohammedans, the Taoists, the Christians etc. they all had and have their own characteristic believes and conceptions of God/s. Partriarchal societies tend to believe in a male God, matriarchal societies usually had a female God (Goddess). I assume if whales believed in God he/she would be more similar to whales than to human beings. The Buddhists e.g. as well as many freeminded undenominational people don't believe in God as "the big creator". Atheists don't believe in the existence of any God at all.
So, who am I to presume to "know" which way is right and which way is wrong, which God/s we should believe in or not, or which God/s - if any at all - really exist/s or not?
"Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today
Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace"
Thanks, I love what Jesus said on those ocassions too. I'm sure all religions have something good to offer, but the question here would be: did any of those other religions or cults had The Mesiah who offered His life on a cross for the forgivness of our faults? He who went to His death having no fault on Him? why would any body do that? would you do that for anybody? even for your friends? tough question, my answer would be, I don't know what I would do. But we know what Jesus did, it's proven by Scripture, Sacred and historical, there are two pagan historians, a roman and a greek who aknowledged the life of Jesus. How can we know there is a God? well first of all, we have to aknowledge that we as humans are capable of error, we make mistakes right? therefore we have a fallible mind, and imperfect brain capable of ideas and concepts but capable of error too, how is it then that we are able to conceive the idea of a perfect being given the fact that we ourselves are not perfect? we all have the need of religion, that's why there are so many, because we are not perfect, we are incomplete by ourselves, we need other people, when we have the companionship of other people we still feel and are incomplete so the only thing that completes us in the fullness of our beings is the inner knowledge of a perfect being that complete us. If somebody says "I don't believe in God" what that person is actually saying is that God really exists, is just that he or she prefers not to believe in God. If you don't believe me try, and you will see how good the Lord is. " Seek, and you will find, knock and it will be open for you.......ask and it will be given to you" Just try, you have nothing to loose.... God Bless, Y
Dear Yorch, first of all let me say, that this is not the right place for a religious discussion in my opinion, but if you talk about it, please speak only for yourself, not for other people, especially not for me. I don't know if there is one god or different gods (like in many big religions), but I do know, what I mean, when I myself say that I don't beliefe in them, in their existence, and it's not the way you try to explain, what people like me are "really meaning". And I don't feel incomplete without believing in any higher being as you say. Maybe you do, that's okay, and it's also okay, if your faith makes your life richer. But that is only your personal opinion, your way, so please accept that other people have different opinions. Maybe you think that I'm a somehow lost soul and maybe I'm thinking similar about you, but I don't want to argue about this. I just don't like how you choose your words, when talking like "Somethin IS this way" instead of "You believe that something..." I also don't want to hurt your religious feelings. But please think a moment about how it may hurt someone who doesn't think the same way than you, if you presume to speak for everybody and affirm to know about feelings of emptyness someone like me should feel. You even presume to interpret the words of atheists in a contrary way. You may say, that for you there is no doubt in the existence of a god, but it's a fact, that this is just a matter of faith, not of evidence. If people are feeling somehow empty, I have my very own theory about the reasons for it, and it deals with the way they live their life, not with the missing of a higher being. I don't say that it is so, it's just my personal opinion about it. You see the difference? I think, that in most religions there are some good social issues about the way, people should live together, so I don't want to blame them, as long as they do not blame me. But in my opinion these are the only good aspects of all religions and I don't agree with all of them. It's a part of every religion that it has a explination for the whole meaning of life and existance. For many believers this is the one and only explanation and this often leads to fanatism and intolerance. Sorry to say that, but your words, Yorch, sound to me a bit like this, as if you want to express that everybody, who does not share your faith, is wrong. Like Chris wrote, religion is highly depending on where and when someone lives. If you were born around 2500 years ago in Greek, you would have most likely believed in all the Olympic gods like Zeus, Ares, Aphrodite and so on, who had the same foibles like normal human beings, who cheated, lied and sometimes even fight each others. And most likely you would have believed with the same intensity, you are now believing in your god, that the idea of just one good god as a perfect being is absolutely crazy, like many people today are only laughing about that antique greek religion and noone still believes in it. At the end just let me say, that I heard of many people who gave their life for others. Mostly in war. People who were able to escape from a danger, but jumped in the way of a bullet or throw themselfes on a detonating bomb to rescue their fellows. If you ask me, if I would act that way, my answer is the same than yours (at least at this point): I don't know, but I know that others did, without becoming the leader of a religion or a cult. So you can't say, that Jesus was the only one who gave his life for others by free decision. And even if the historical aspects are really true, Jesus just saved Barrabas from being crucified, everything else about his sacrifice, the forgivness of our faults, is just a matter of faith, not of history. From that point of view it's even possible to think about, if it was really a free decision of the historical Jesus, or just an unwanted result of building a cult and being accused for that; a prize he had to pay without any chance to escape. Like I said, I don't want to discuss about it, I just wanted to show you that it is possible to have different opinions and to interpret many things in different ways. That's why I have difficulties with people who claim to know the only truth, instead of saying, that they believe in one of many possible theories.
Dear Frank, Thank you for being frank, Frank (no pun intended). I like the fact that you stand up for what you believe in and that you are honest and that says lots about you bud. I apologize because you are right, this is not the place to start a discussion about God, but hey it happened and it's cool because I got to talk to some other cool people like yourself of something that matters in life. We will never agree on this subject so let's just leave it at that. I believe in God you don't period. I just don't think I offended anybody by what I said and if I did well I'm sorry but yes, there is just one truth (nope, I'm not going to go bombing an embassy or a mosque). It happens that nowadays everything seems to be subjective, relative to the subject, everything is ok as long as there's people that believe that is ok. Like for example, killing is always wrong no matter how you see it, war is always wrong and we seem to agree on that too, those are necessary truths, not something you believe is like that even if you disagree, just because you disagree doesn't make it what you believe it to be truth. Ay, ay ay ok...well Jesus died the most horrible death of them all, like a criminal, not as a war hero, he was given up by his own people, is not like a soldier that dies over a mine trying to save somebody else, but again I don't think we are going to agree on that one either. When talking about God there is no good or wrong place, you just talk about Him weather some ppl like it or not, is a bit like politics. There is only one truth that is necessary, God, even if you don't believe in it. Is like trees, maybe you don't believe in trees but that doesn't mean they don't exist, they are there. I can't prove there is a God in a way that will satisfy everybody so we will not agree on that one fo sho. The Greeks and Romans didn't believe in the One God because they didn't have revelation, they had reason, plus if you read the anscient greek philosophers you will see that they agree that some of them by pure reason discovered that there was a "one". One what? well they weren't sure because it was not revealed to them yet. See what you made me do? I'm talking about God again in this forum geeez....I guess I can't help it... Later! Peace Yorch
Her name is Andrea Absolonova. And since I know Andrea I can say this. She was starting to reflect on her life before and during this tragic end. And she had issues dealing with her religon because of what she did for a living. She struggled personaly everyday with it. Is that what you people wanted to hear? Her having to deal with satan versus God everyday? Does this change your mind about her?
That is why she did not want to discuss it with me at length. But I know because of other things she had told me about family, work, friends, and exactly what she thought of things she probably did not tell many others.
At judgement, if she is going to hell for sinning, then we all are.
You all are so quick to judge others on what they did. What if God judged on what type of person you really are or were? On the inside. Most of you cannot begin to know Andrea like that. And you dare comment on things you have no idea about. For the most part she believed as I. If anyone were to deserve to go to Heaven for the true person they were, it would be Andrea Absolonova. In the eyes of God we all have are struggles in life. Why in the hell would he pick the one that would damn you? Are you so perfect to point others short comings? Are you yourselves ashamed what Andrea done? I often wonder. Why would this be the deciding factor if she goes to Heaven or hell? Myself, I believe it is not. There are many things about Andrea you have no idea about that would over shadow the "sin" you are condeming her for. All I can say is at judgment I am glad it will our Lord that will be doing the judging and not you people.
I will not stand here and have people damn one of the lovliest people I have ever known (inside and out) on the grounds of religion. God will have no care what religion you are. Your either damned or not.
God was and is with Andrea every stretch of the way.
Chris my friend, there are signs out there of God. If you think about it, I think this site that you started is one of them. And it has all been made possible thru our friend Andrea.
since you seem to believe in (a) God - may I ask you what you know about it/her/him? I'm eager to know. And please don't repeat ink and paper stories, I have them at home. Just tell me what YOU KNOW about God, not what other people told you.
"Anyone that's without sin among you should throw a stone at her. Woman, where are they? Didn't anyone condemn you? I don't condemn you either. Go, from now on don't sin any more. "
Like Lea I don't believe in a God like the Bible One or any one else described as a Creator of ... and so on. But these words are great, I've always loved them. Without them, love & life wouldn't exist.
I want to send this message because I was touched reading only recently by the vicissitude of Andrea . I don't want to be hypocrite: in the past I was supporting pornography but from some years , I could see the evil and shame beyond pornography. So, watching a web-site regarding the harms due the porn,by chance hastily looking over on the photos of many young porn actors and actress dead I was struck by the the Andrea's picure ;I don't know why I stopped on her photo ; there were unfortunatly a lot of youg boys and girls death in that list due to various causes; I went beyond but after some times I couldn't resist to come back and go to deepen the story about that unknown girl that inespicably attract my attention , like her would talk me, something really strange , never happened me before. Maybe for her loveliness .No , there were a lot of lovely actress dead in that list; it was her stubbornnes of her eyes filled of force. In that moment a bad thought came in my mind: " ok, Christian , you have to work , you have no time to think about a poor porn actress- prostitute dead young" and I was nearly closing the page , but I strong disconfort took me and another tought.. " Christian, who are you to judge the other ? You saw porn images till sometimes ago ! We are all poor sinners and only the God that is infinitelyjustandmerciful can judge" so looking on internet I found the story of Andrea , and her illnes. Many toughts crowded my mind; I was really really touched and affected; Andrea's force and tenacity to fight the disease ( I saw the typical force of cesky people), the love of her sister and family and kindness despite the past relation with her due to her work, the fact that just while Andrea cut with porn and start new life the illnes began. I was admired for Andrea past high level sport.I am a personal trainer , I practise sports so I can understand how is hard to achive high result in such a sport , especially in a tricky sport like diving. I thought how a high-level sport woman can switch to porn !? Maybe the frustration of accident ....many year of training thrown away .... dreams vanished .Who practise sport can understand.
My admiration came high for Andrea ,( I was really ashamed about my first thought "...that's only a poor porn actress-prostitute."...) , a sport-woman , with her forces and weakness ..to know she is dead make me really sad. I have nearly the same age..You said that Andrea struggled everyday in herself , in her coscience .This not change my opinion about her but that was the key point for her; to be with Jesus or aginst Jesus ;that's the battle in every man I hope she has chosen the right thing ..But this story tell me in my inner soul that her soul is save. The body die but the soul never die for sure!So I think I can help her in this way.From that moments I everytime remember her in my daily prayers. From that moments my disconfort finished . Could look strange , but this is the honest truth.
i am so glad to see someone else is out there who has had some sort of spiritual experience upon learning of andreas death. I don't want to retype mine, its at silvia saints forum saint-archives, the thread is "artist inspired...."
This will sound crazy but i have been dead, for mere seconds, physically dead, not finally as the term really describes. During that time I experienced no heart beat or brain activity as far as external instruments could detect, I was ****ing dead man. Only adrenaline and electric shock restored my life and i'll have to say i wasn't too happy about that as i felt conscious in death. For those 54 seconds I felt very confused and in darkness but curious enough that i was preparing to sit up and walk around, a pin prick of light existed what appeared to be miles away, i thought nothing of it at the time but i now think it represented the long journey i had ahead of me to make up for my sins on earth, almost as if it was a sign that i had to return and make up for them, i don't know. All i know is that if i was dead then i do not fear death.
many strange coincidences with my life/death/coma/life etc.. pablo picasso died the same day i was born about half an hour before my birth, I picked up french language fluently in about a month, I am an artist and i paint with oils just like he did, i treat women as he did. I don't claim to be picasso reincarnated but maybe there is some of his spirit in me.
after my injury in the war i was in a coma, see the story on silvias forum, but i had a dream just before i awoke that included a girl offering to give her life so that a soldier could return to life, i was in europe. andrea died at 9a.m, I awoke during that hour of the very same day, when i awoke about six months later i painted the picture i've attached, this pic is of the girl in my dream named andrea.
my feeling is, and i am not religious, i'm just a guy, andrea is fine, she did what she needed to do, I don't know what she did, never watched it, just once and i couldn't stand it, not because of her but because the way she was being treated by those pigs, plugging her nose so she'd almost puke and gag.....not for me. but, if we are judged we are judged by our hearts not our actions. In the war i dispatched five people as I was a scout sniper, i didn't like it, i didn't make the decision i was just an instrument of war, how can i be judged for that. I'm sure there were circumstances by which andrea was guided to pornography. I'm positive her soul has found a new body, hopefully a loved cat or bird of paradise, if there is a heaven and that is where she is i'm going to make an effort to meet her when i get there in a few years. Besides, angels come from heaven, they must be allowed to go back, right? lol
Bremac, your experience was incredible. The God send message to us to discover ourself, to make us aware that we have not only mortal body but also a eternal soul.And the destiny of this eternal soul depend of our master Quality : our Will.
It is difficult to find the right words. Andrea came from a land that undergone 45 years of communism , that nearly cancelled religion; so nearly no moral education; she nearly achived the top target in the sport and the delusion after an accident that suddenly stop her career I could imagine was huge. At that same age I was also attracted a lot by sex , and sex is a good things when is canalized in the right direction , but really bad when is done for ponography for example. But I understood this after few years ; infact in the first time I supported pornography.I am lucky that my family educated me and I had everytime an inner voice saying to me " ..don't watch this ..this is wrong ..." but for sometimes I continued to do so... so maybe Andrea thought to has found a easy way to do money and to do sex . Maybe in the same situation I would do the same. That's a big deception of evil. But last word is for our Will , Jesus say infact:
"Anyone that's without sin among you should throw a stone at her.Woman, where are they? Didn't anyone condemn you? I don't condemn you either. Go, from now on don't sin any more. "
- John 8: 7, 10, 11
and I feel really sad because Andrea at one point started to change her life,breaking off with porn , she found love and starting new life and at that point the illnes broken out. That should seem cruel about the God, but HE makes our patches of life to do the best of our eternal Soul and we cannot undestand HIM.
HIS Just is endless but aslo HIS love is endless ; depend of if we have the humbleness to admit our sin ; infact:
Luke 23:39-43
[39] One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!"
[40] But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? [41] We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong."
[42] Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."
[43] Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
I hope Andrea , said like the Good Thief.
Congratulation for the painting , God bless you , Christian.
like i said i'm not a religious man but I am a believer in peoples right to believe and i defend that right with my life. that is why i always give thought to everyones opinions and beliefs whether i share them or not. there is only one thing i know for sure, there is something after what we experience here in our "organic" life. if you read the story on the other forum it is easy to think that the two men were god and the devil, but at the time of that, what they called the "re-emergence dream, a lucid dream that occurs during coma emergence" I was alive so i don't know what to make of that. In my mind the girl in the painting is andrea absolonova, i've attached a photograph of her that i had not seen until two months ago, the painting was done in 2005. I made minor alterations to see if it matched like the position and direction of the eyes and the treed background. I'll never forget the night i read about her and found that photo then found the consistancies in the stories, the timeline is uncanny. The chances are one in 3 billion that it was her. Its kind of crazy but i went to the website she created for herself and there was an email for her there.......I emailed her, i asked her if it was her that i saw during my coma, i believe in the supernatural so maybe she will respond. I will go the rest of my life trying to figure this out. I think that she was a lot like me, she never really caught a break and like I went to production of drugs she went to porn, just two normal people would got desperate and paid the price. I hold nothing against those in the porn industry, I find it fascinating but sometimes just too appauling. The days of early nineties Savannah and Raquelle Darrian movies with tasteful and respectful scenes are long gone with this gonzo crap taking its place to please the more discerning audiences. You would never see Savannah let someone plug her nose and make her puke by joking on some pigs dick, everyone thought she was a bitch but she just had self respect and knew she was the star and therefore she made the rules. I wish "lea de mae" would have felt that way about herself, i've seen a few trailers for her stuff like in private's movies like dangerous things, she was cute about it all there but what i saw of her gonzo stuff i didn't like. anyway, here is the photo that i think looks just like the painting. I have a literal gallery of paintings of adult stars, all head shots, 8 of andrea, 8 of hanna hilton, sunrise adams, jeanna fine, 2 of savannah, anita blond, anita dark, chasey lain (god help her). they are anything from impressionism to realism and abstract, all at different levels of completion, i'm going to give them all away to fans when they are done, i'll post a couple here.
these are hanna hilton and a impression of monica sweetheart, I kind of lost her by over painting but i'll easily get her back, I know where the problem is
If anyone should go to real people, their paradise, this will be Andre Absolonova. In God's eyes, we all struggle in life. Why in hell, he would pick one, you damn it?
our lea is in heaven !!
