I know that this might seem a weird question to post here, but would like to discuss it, as I myself have 'struggled' with pornography for quite some time.
Struggled with it because I see the paradox of it on one hand being an exciting thing, and on the other, a thing that causes a sense of immense loss and disconnection.
Is your views on it different from what it used to be? In the light of her death, or the death or ailments of others. Can we somehow establish if there is a correlation between emotional/mental/physical pain and 'casual sex'.
Not only is this a pretty heavy question but is a very good one. There is no doubt that an awful lot of people look down at people in porn. I myself have a neutral view on it in my opinion. I do not partake in it what so ever. No, I have not seen our lovely Andrea in a movie. No, I have not seen Monica in a movie. I have not seen an adult movie in a long time. I choose that. I also tend to choose not to judge others in what they think or do. It could be personal reasons that they think or do someway or something. I can say that with this happening it still does not change my view persay on the subject but, also reinforces my reasoning not to judge.
Even though Andrea's current studio did not help there were many people in the industry that by themselves helped in more ways than one.
I agree with some stars it may be a disconnection. Remember these stars are actors. And playing almost the same role over and over can put you in a mind set. Which at the time may seem to you and I as desensitized but is what I believe a way to continue because that what is lacking is hurtful. But I have also noticed that a lot of people in the adult industry are way more open minded. In private and in the public as well. Andrea was a very good, strong, person. A lot of people could say she went down the wrong road. Those people don't know the story. Were there other roads for her? Oh yeah. But after I think about it there were probably very few things she were to do that would of been more fullfilling for her. For her it was the right road.
Life is full of choices. What may be right for some, may be wrong for others and vica versa. That is no reason to judge.
If I did judge Andrea for what she did, it may very well of been that we would of not of been friends. Then both of us would of been out of a lot of heart to hearts. And exactly where would of that put me? Above all porn stars? Yeah right!
I will certainly tell you that for knowing and loving Andrea I am a way better person. And it is something that I will never refute or deny.
I cannot say, that Andrea's death has changed my view on pornography, because I never looked down on someone, who works in the industry. Indeed, I find it somehow fascinating, when anyone crosses borders and steps out of the normal morality of society. In my opinion a girl needs much courage to do this step and I'm thinking about a lot of questions concerning that. How much does this work affect the private sexuality of a model, how do people react, if she tells, what she is doing, how does she think about men and their "typical" behaviour and stuff like that. I don't have any idea, if or how my opinions on points like that would change, if, for example, I would be a male pornstar.
Andrea is the first model I started to learn more about, but only after her death. Like I wrote here months ago: She was only one of many models to me (I didn't even knew her real name), but after reading so much about her, she became more and more a real person to me. A wonderful person, that I like and I'm very sorry that there is no way, I could never meet her or even write to her.
Maybe some models (like other actresses) starts becoming arrogant and behaving like "stars", but it looks like Andrea never did and that's one of the points I like about her. Even though she worked in this often rough industry, she was still a nice und kindly girl, a human being like all of us, with a family, friends, hopes, fears and wishes. What others, who knew her personaly, wrote about her, gives evidence for that.
In one point my view on models working in the industry did change. More often than before I think about how their private life may be, if maybe they became embittered or if they stayed kindly and funny like Andrea did. I sometimes watched porn movies, before I knew about her fate, and sometimes I'm still doing it, when I'm in the mood, but I didn't watch any of her movies from this moment on, or, at least none of her sex-scenes.
Here in London, it's a little chilly but there's no snow. Today, it's pretty cloudy in fact.
I was very interested to read what you wrote:- "Andrea is the first model I started to learn more about, but only after her death. Like I wrote here months ago: She was only one of many models to me (I didn't even knew her real name), but after reading so much about her, she became more and more a real person to me. A wonderful person, that I like and I'm very sorry that there is no way, I could never meet her or even write to her."
I say this because your appreciation of Lea De Mae (as I call her) came really after we lost her. It is said that you truly realise the worth of something only after you have lost it and the same has applied here. I was only slightly aware of Lea before the news of her illness reached London in October 2004 but I had noticed her beauty in films with Daniella and Silvia.
When I heard what had happened, I and a few friends sent off $1,000 to Lea's mother's home address within days to try to help the medical efforts and encourage others to donate. Darrin Lucas in America campaigned to help Lea and in a way, like me, we did it also to fight back against a senseless illness caused by an error of Nature which had already touched our lives before and taken our own mothers away in distressing circumstances.
Thanks to Chris's journals and the efforts of other fans and friends of Lea, a good response was being mounted, when alas, Lea's condition became critical and the Czech Medical team were unable to stabilise her for the hoped-for transfer to a specialist clinic in Munich I believe, with Larry Flynt's company "Hustler" kindly helping by offering to pay for the airlifting of Lea in a ambulance plane and for special treatment.
As you know, Lea's main studio "Private" ignored all our pleas for help, forsaking one of their most famous stars and money-earners.
Since I first heard about Lea De Mae's plight, I have never ceased to think about her, trying to help and by letters and on the Web willing her on and I am sure that brave Lea endured the unendurable for us too - she knew we were willing her on to live. Lea told those close to her that she so much wanted to live.
Since Lea left this world, barely a year ago, I and others have continued to write about her (even attracting objections - please see at http://www.eurobabetalk.com/ in the postings from a member called "az" - to which I have responded at length) and gathered together all the many dozens of tribute messages and condolences, poems, songs, photos, etc. that we could find most of which are posted up at the special Forum created for us by Martin Bucek (Silvia Saint's Web Site Co-Owner) at http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=9318&subForumID=86534&topicPage=0
Unlike "Private", we did not desert Lea either in life or death.
Several members on the Forums have written in that Lea has not been out of their minds for a single day since all these things happened and so it is with me too. I wish to celebrate her beauty within and without, her happy, cheerful and kindly ways, her charm and modesty, her courage and bravery in the face of insurmountable odds and her dignity in life and death.
Lea will never leave my thoughts - not if I live to be 100 years of age. Lea will stay an eternal vision of loveliness - a beauty she was willing to share with us for those few years she graced the pages of glossy magazines and lit up out TV screens. Lea brought a light to the world. Lea's beautiful blue eyes remind us of the saying "The eyes are the light of the soul".
Lea's lovely pictures, especially those taken by Chris such as the ones above and below, seem to call out to us, as the words of the song "Remember me!" go....
Remember me as a sunny day That you once had, along the way Didn't I inspire you a little higher.
Remember me as a funny clown That made you laugh when you were down Didn't I boy, didn't I boy?
Remember me as a big balloon At a carnival that ended too soon Remember me as a breath of spring Remember me as a good thing Remember me when you drink the wine Of sweet success and I gave you my best Remember me with every song you sing Remember me as a good thing
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and so, dear Lea, we do and always will...
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RE: Has her death affected your view on pornography?
Hello ConfusedGuest, I cant understand the second question: "Can we somehow establish if there is a correlation between emotional/mental/physical pain and 'casual sex'." Could you explain it.
There is very little doubt that you were and still are a big supporter of Andrea. I do not surf adult sites or forms much at all. However, I do search for "Lea De Mae", or "Andrea Absolonova" now and again to see what buzz may be going on about her. Countless times I have seen "victor" asking for help, words of support, defending Andrea, going beyond what would be asked of you for Andrea on so many boards. Not to mention personal emails to many people I am sure.
I am sure this does not go un-noticed. I would just like to take this time and place to say publicly THANK YOU. Thank you for your stable contributions and support to our lovely Andrea.
I received a very nice note from Monica Sweetheart in Prague yesterday - she was of course Lea's best friend.
May the family and close friends of Lea/Andrea find peace. Thank you again Chris for your magnificent effort.
Regards to all our friends at CSS and other Forums who supported Lea in her hour of need and thanks to "Hustler" who were on side when it mattered. Thanks to Darrin at ADT and the SDRT who tried to help on medical news and now at last, a new treatment is being applied with success in controlling the (unremovable) tumour remnants after an operation, thereby prolonging life of good quality.
Wishing you and all who admired Lea De Mae a happier new year.
Victor, London. Friday 30th Dec 2005. - just one day to go and no snow!
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RE: Has her death affected your view on pornography?
To all who participate at discussions on this forum, please read the topics carefully and either refer to them or start a new topic. Thanks for your understanding!
Let me come back to the original interesting topic of this thread: Has her death affected your view on pornography?
(First answer) No, why should it? If Andrea had committed suicide, you could argue that it was maybe influenced by her pornstar job. If she had died from AIDS you could argue that her job has killed her. If she had been killed by a fanatic person who knew her as Lea De Mae (like John Lennon was killed by a fiend), you could argue her death was a late result of role in the pron business. Even if she was killed in an accident (maybe caused by consuming drugs) you still might draw a connection between her job and her death. In each of these cases her death could have influenced my view on pornography, I'm not sure.
But since she was 1) satisfied with her job as much as we all are more or less satisfied with what we're doing for money and since 2) there is not even the smallest link between her brain tumour and her way of living in the world of pornography, I see NO reason why my answer to the question should be "yes".
(Second answer) However, one can understand your questions in different ways. Reading your additional information your question seems to be: does your knowledge about her death affect the way you consume her photos and movies? (= contrary to pornography in general) - If this is what you meant, my answer is of course "yes, it does".
Her death has changed my view of pornography- I don't believe in it anymore. Just like when Martin Luther King died I stopped believing in civil rights and the equal treatment of minorities. Great question though.